Some people can afford an electric car. We can’t. That’s my starting point and probably my conclusion, too. For us, it’s a non-choice. Even if they made the cars cheap enough to buy, I’m not sure I’d buy one and it isn’t because I have my fortune in oil and coal. I don’t have a fortune.
I understand electric cars run clean. I also know how damaging the nickel mines are to the countries where the mineral is mined and how disposal of batteries is going to become an increasingly major issue. And then, there’s the problem of electricity itself.
Electric cars are one more way to support the same companies who have refused to allow changes from oil to alcohol and other sustainable products for decades. Even if the money issue didn’t exist, I don’t see a massive changeover to electric cars in the future unless they are giving them away free. You know auto conglomerates will never give anything away for free.
This is now and will remain a solution for those who have money. Another way for people who have the means to feel good about themselves while the rest of us struggle to afford food.
There are many more poorer people than people who can go $45,000 for an electric car. Oh, so the feds give tax credits? What if you don’t pay taxes because (ta da!) you’re retired or don’t earn enough to pay them? That includes MOST people. It’s a fact. The numbers speak for themselves.
Electric cars are a band-aid covering up an infected, running sore.
It’s not a solution. It’s great not to pay big bucks at the gas pump, but you’re still shilling for auto manufacturers and driving up the need for more power generation. Which is going to be nuclear, oil, or gas. Gas, the official “clean solution” is acquired by fracking — digging to the heart of the earth and fracturing the rocks to release gas. What’s wrong with it?
From Investopedia — not exactly one of your left wing lib groups:
Disadvantages of Fracking
Most of the opposition to fracking revolves around its potential negative impact on the environment. Fracking typically produces methane emissions, which reduce air quality. Furthermore, methane gas contributes significantly to global warming.
Fracking also consumes billions of gallons of water each year that might otherwise be available for human consumption. Moreover, wastewater from the fracking process can leak into surrounding water sources and contaminate drinking water. Finally, fracking can potentially lead to earthquakes. However, there is controversy over whether the earthquakes are directly caused by fracking or caused by the disposal of wastewater generated by the fracking process.
Fracking is also a relatively costly way to extract oil, so its economic viability is threatened whenever oil prices fall too low. For instance, the dramatic decline of oil prices in early 2020 caused concern about permanent damage to the fracking industry. In general, oil prices respond strongly to shifts in supply and demand. That means we can expect additional sudden price changes in the future. As a practical matter, it is also difficult to find new uses for the specialized equipment used for fracking.
From “Fracking” by ADAM HAYES
Updated June 08, 2022 – Reviewed by JEFREDA R. BROWN
What could possibly go wrong with fracking?

Electric cars and electric generation is another money ace the corporate world has pulled from its sleeve. If you don’t think this is going to make them even richer? Whatever happens, they will get richer. That’s why they love trickle down economics. Has anything trickled down to you? Ever? No? Well, it hasn’t trickled down here, either.
You can’t generate electricity without fuel. That means coal, oil, gas, or nuclear fission. Ironically, nukes are probably the safest solution, even though we still have no idea what to do with the leftover rods or, for that matter, how we are going to dismantle aging, unsafe nuclear generation plants — and we have a lot of them in New England.
I don’t pretend to have a solution nor do I know where or how to look, but I know this isn’t it. People who don’t see electric cars as a long-term solution are not necessarily supporting oil and coal. I’m not. Maybe at Fox they have their retirement income in oil shares, but we don’t have any shares. Anway, we don’t watch Fox so I have no idea what they’re saying. I just recognize corporate bull$hit when I see it.
But hey, I can’t even get this brilliantly blue state in which I live to let me go green without doubling my electric bill. I was willing to pay more, even though we don’t have much, but I can’t pay double. Not unless there’s a sudden massive increase in our Social Security income and you can bet that isn’t happening.
We are all pretty much screwed no matter how you look at it. You might as well enjoy your electric car and your A/C. Aren’t you glad you (probably) won’t be here when it all comes crumbling down? I know I am.
Categories: Anecdote, Cars and Trucks, Ecology, Economics, power generation
I bought a car in 2020 while I was still working full time. Electric and hybrid autos were not an option. I don’t drive it much anyway, since I work part-time at home doing the same job I was doing full time previously. Meanwhile, I guess a lot of people are waiting for the installers to drive around in their gas-powered vehicles and set up charging stations.
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It’s pretty funny when you really think about it. Electric is not only not an option for us because of price, but because anything that is a 4WD vehicle in electric is ASTOUNDINGLY expensives. Yes, we are all waiting for those gasoline driven vehicles to get the chargers ready for people who can afford electric cars. Well, there are worse ways to spend a lot of money I suppose.
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When the one percenters do as they preach then I might listen. Until then it is just a money making venture for them at the expense of so many. In fact they should be the shining light and lead the way by going first without the deceptions they love so much. I’m all for a cleaner world but not at all interested in the current con job.
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I have the same basic opinion that electric cars are just another way for the same car makers who have for decades prevented research that might have actually IMPROVED our world to make even more money. One way or the other, they always make money. That it’s the SAME COMPANIES that have foisted off polluting cars when they could have easily fixed the problem long ago doesn’t seem to make most people a little suspicious? Oh well. I can’t afford one anyway, so for us, it’s a moot point.
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IF someone can afford to buy a new car, why not buy and electric car? It’s not a panacea, but it’s not a pollution machine.
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Buy *an* electric car.
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If you gotta spend the money, there are worse ways (many worse ways) to spend it.
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Something that might help a little re cars is massive investment in public transportation. I’d love to have a convenient PT way to work and back…
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ME TOO! We have no PT out here at all. Not a bus or a train. If you don’t drive, you’re out of luck. Elderly people who are sufficiently poor (we’re not poor ENOUGH to get help or rich enough to not need it) can get some assistance, at least for getting to and from medical appointments, but as for the rest of life? Tough luck, folks. We’re two of those folks.
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Yes, I am glad that I’m probably not going to be here in 25 years living in the world we’ll have then.
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We aren’t fixing any of the problem. We sticking band-aids on top of them and saying “See? All fixed! Sign here for your new loan.” We could get to the moon in a decade, but we can’t figure out how to make transportation non-polluting. There’s something wrong with that picture.
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I know people who are thinking about electric vehicles but they are well off compared to most others I know. I guess that people will either feel it will be cheaper than petrol or that they are doing their bit but unless you have clean electricity it isn’t a lot better. Then there is disposal of the components of the batteries as you mentioned. However, people have to get to work, school and other things and governments won’t fund public transport. We both know how hard it is to get around if you live in the country and can’t or don’t want to drive. I don’t know the answer either.
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I don’t know if, at this point, there IS an answer. Maybe we are too late for answers.
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